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Buzz Vs. Facebook.
Ok, so my one true blog remains livejournal - I have a facebook account, because people I know have a facebook account, and facebook is better suited to 'one liners'.

But I like discussions too.

One of the discussions recently, is Google Buzz - for those that somehow managed to miss it, Google have enabled a 'status update broadcast' feature, within gmail.
It hooks into google reader, and a few other things I don't really use (I think I see a twitter/flickr icon there too?)

But I've just seen a few people on facebook rabble rabbling over the 'security and privacy' of Buzz. It's really not that exciting - by default, Buzz populates follower feeds when you first sign up to it - which means if you send gmails back and forth to someone (who is also on gmail) a lot, then people might be able to see them as a 'contact' on Buzz.

That's all. You can turn this off, too, but by default Buzz has open follower lists.

The other is location tagging on posts - this is a feature you have to turn on, so again, something I think there's just no reason to get excited about.

So sure, if you don't already have a Facebook, then you have reason to grumble at the idea. But I hate to break it to you, but Facebook's default privacy really isn't all that great either - do you recall recently, they changed their privacy statement?
I'd invite you all to review it:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=%20322194465300
"Certain categories of information such as your name, profile photo, list of friends and pages you are a fan of, gender, and networks you belong to are considered publicly available, and therefore do not have privacy settings"

*shrug*. From what I've seen of Buzz so far, I'm thinking I prefer it to Facebook. Then again, I prefer LJ to either, and still have a facebook account, simply because it's become clear that what I'm looking for, isn't the same as what everyone else is looking for.
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cthulahoops From: cthulahoops Date: February 12th, 2010 10:36 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, that's a nice clear cut reminder of why I won't be joining Facebook any time soon.

The real Buzz privacy concern for me though, is the integration with e-mail. I don't know or trust everyone I e-mail, and I don't want give access to anything to someone on the basis of e-mailing them. Now, yes, I can control that, but only through a deceptive UI which I don't trust.


sobrique From: sobrique Date: February 12th, 2010 10:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Out of interest, are you already on other social networking sites?
I mean, Facebook is based around the idea that people create accounts with their real name. Not everyone does it, but technically speaking they're violating the terms of use when they do.
I've never been overly bothered by the notion that my email address is public, as long as I don't get spammed.
cthulahoops From: cthulahoops Date: February 12th, 2010 11:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Not really. I use Google Reader, and see a fair amount of the sharing and following stuff there. I've used plenty of forums, but usually forget to visit them after a while.

Livejournal has got the privacy stuff mostly just right. It's clear, flexible and there's no list of things you must share. Okay, friends list is public, but given that pseudonyms are the norm that's less of an issue. I also suspect that's a large part of why they are less popular than Facebook.

The thing is: I'm interested in Buzz. I'm just finding the privacy settings maddening.
purp1e_magic From: purp1e_magic Date: February 12th, 2010 11:32 am (UTC) (Link)
technically speaking they're violating the terms of use when they do.
A friend of mine, amusingly, was unable to create a facebook account in his real name. Facebook rejected it as a name that sounded fake (his surname is Nice)
crashbarrier From: crashbarrier Date: February 12th, 2010 10:56 am (UTC) (Link)
FB is okay.. treat it like a gossipy friend, tell it only what you know you want the rest of the universe to know:)
glamwhorebunni From: glamwhorebunni Date: February 12th, 2010 10:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Buzz also requires a publically available Google Profile for you, so on that level it's just as bad as Facebook.

But the real killer is that it only works to communicate with other people who're on Googlemail. Um, a lot of my friends aren't. So yeah, it's not very useful.
glamwhorebunni From: glamwhorebunni Date: February 12th, 2010 10:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Also, I really dislike the way Buzz messages show up in the Buzz window *and* in my Inbox. And can't be arsed to set up a filter.
sobrique From: sobrique Date: February 12th, 2010 10:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Hmm, I'm not getting that - I've got a 'buzz' tab, which is separate.
I actually quite like that, though, because it means I only have to check one site to do both. (Well, or would if I didn't run both it and facebook anyway).
glamwhorebunni From: glamwhorebunni Date: February 12th, 2010 11:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I was getting each message in the Buzz tab and in my Inbox. Very irritating.
sobrique From: sobrique Date: February 12th, 2010 10:55 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, Buzz is more like twitter in that sense - it lets you post updates 'public' with all that entails.

The _only_ reason I use facebook, is because 'people I know are on it'.

And yes, it would mean that if you wanted a 'closed' buzz, then you'd need people with buzz accounts. Much like you have with Facebook in fact :).
glamwhorebunni From: glamwhorebunni Date: February 12th, 2010 11:47 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm meaning I don't like the whole Profiles thing, which is a stealthy sneaky thing they've released alongside Buzz: http://www.google.co.uk/profiles
sobrique From: sobrique Date: February 12th, 2010 11:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually profiles have been around a while. Certainly they predate the 'wave' release.
crashbarrier From: crashbarrier Date: February 12th, 2010 10:55 am (UTC) (Link)
I might end up on Buzz just because it is yet another avenue of communication:).
sobrique From: sobrique Date: February 12th, 2010 10:57 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm on buzz, because I already have a gmail, and I quite like it - it's light and just 'plugs in' so it's very little additional effort.
And better, I can run a public buzz feed.
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