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Petals around the Rose
A logic puzzle for you:


It's called 'Petals around the Rose'. And the name is important.


(I think I figured it out backwards - I got the 'what' before the 'why')
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the_g_man From: the_g_man Date: September 21st, 2004 08:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Clever! Thanks for that one.
xarrion From: xarrion Date: September 21st, 2004 09:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, it took me four rolls to get it. Does that mean I'm really clever, or incredibly stupid? :/
ehrine From: ehrine Date: September 21st, 2004 10:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure how you could manage to get the what before the why.
xarrion From: xarrion Date: September 21st, 2004 10:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Pattern recognition. It's entirely possible to figure out without knowing the name of the game at all. Might just take half an hour longer.
From: dj_rws Date: September 21st, 2004 10:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, cute little game. I released the hint only after solving it though. Took me about 7 tries before I had it nailed. How could that guy have gone a year without solving it? And he said the longer it takes the more intelligent you are. Rubbish, he just couldn't see the wood through the trees, or the petals around the rose :)
ehrine From: ehrine Date: September 21st, 2004 10:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Having searched about the net afterwards, there are a few more "tips" as well as an extra rule you're allowed to tell them.

For the rule, the number is always 0 or even.

As for the main tip, people usually look far too deeply. I suspect that's where the more intelligent the harder it is comes from. The more intelligent you are the more you try to analyse and work out formula. Another story about it I read had Bill Gates (back in 1977) taking about 5-6 hours (at least) of continual work on the problem to solve it.
xarrion From: xarrion Date: September 21st, 2004 10:33 am (UTC) (Link)
nah, I reckon the 'more intelligent you are, the longer it takes' thing comes purely from the Professor taking so long to get it, and joking about it afterwards ;)

As it says, it's a puzzle based on perception rather than plain intelligence. Having said that, I suppose it depends on what basis you define intelligence...
From: dj_rws Date: September 21st, 2004 10:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Paul, 0 is even :D

You hit the nail on the head: it's a perception based puzzle not a mathematics based puzzle. You can have the best maths solving capability on the planet but if you can't find the question then your f**ked.
xarrion From: xarrion Date: September 21st, 2004 11:01 am (UTC) (Link)
ehrine From: ehrine Date: September 21st, 2004 12:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Some people will argue 0 isn't technically an even number in the same way that thesedays 1 isn't classed as a prime number. It's a special case. Personally, I couldn't care less as I'm not a mathamatician.
ewx From: ewx Date: September 21st, 2004 03:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
0 is not a special case with regard to odd/even. "Some people" are wrong.
sobrique From: sobrique Date: September 22nd, 2004 12:30 am (UTC) (Link)

Zero is an even number. An integer n is called *even* if there exists an integer m such that n = 2m, and *odd* if n+1 is even. From this, it is clear that 0 = (2)(0) is even. The reason for this definition is so that we have the property that every integer is either even or

Except on a roulette wheel of course :)
ewx From: ewx Date: September 22nd, 2004 05:46 am (UTC) (Link)

Oh, and...

You can define anything as anything, of course, but regarding units as prime has been silly at least since Euclid (i.e. comfortably over two millenia) if you ask me.
From: feanelwa Date: September 21st, 2004 12:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think so too. It took me a few hours to see it, and then I only saw it because I went off to eat some lunch, came back and thought "What if I used this really stupid system where..."

I suppose it's such a childlike way of analysing the data that if you spend your time thinking about complicated stuff, you find it harder to come back and think of the silly way.
ryuumeiko From: ryuumeiko Date: September 21st, 2004 01:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Very sneaky... I needed the 0 or even hint and the logic puzzle hint... *g* took me a few tries...

Funny, if you've done maths at A-level or higher, I think you're more likely not to get it fast, as your brain goes into maths-mode...

jambon_gris From: jambon_gris Date: September 22nd, 2004 01:37 am (UTC) (Link)
we did have a big fuck off clue.

BTW zero is just zero and uis neither even nor odd, and one was never prime as i understand it. One is a very special number indeed
zaitan From: zaitan Date: September 22nd, 2004 02:05 am (UTC) (Link)
I could not get your link to work, so I searched for the name of the game and found a story about our chum (sic) Bill Gates taking 5-6 hours to solve said puzzle. Fortunately, I had solved the puzzle by the time I had finished reading the story.
mavnn From: mavnn Date: September 22nd, 2004 05:46 am (UTC) (Link)
2 rolls with the name. With out the name I suspect it would have kept me going for a very long time indeed...

Although, neither of the first two rolls had a '3' in, so I did have to guess one aspect of the answer.

(Hope nobody thinks that counts as too much of a clue)
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 13th, 2005 02:33 pm (UTC) (Link)


its only hard to find it out if you look at it the hard way...but not if you look at it the easy way.The name of the game is petals arouns a rose.keep that in mind.
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